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Sunday, December 7, 2008

Before we die!!!

My friend's Grand Father died on 1st September 2008. He was ill for last few months. On his last day he said that he is not going to survive, probably because off frustration of being, or because of pain or whatever - I do not know. He cried a lot, saying that, he wanted to see the marriage of his grand children, my friend is one of the candidates. He died on the same day. He was 84/85 Yrs old.

Three months later, one fine morning my freind's 2nd grand father(above 75Yrs) told his family people that this is going to be his last day. During the day, he met all of his family people, took food from the elder grand-daughter-in-law, had water from his son, went to see his farms etc. In evening he took food and went to sleep. Around 9PM, one of his grand-children found him dead. 

oops!!! how did he(second GF) know that he was going to die?

My friend told me that there is a very famous pundit in their locality, he did recite Garud Purana after his first GF's death, for some nights. The priest told him that few months before the time of final death, a person starts to see all of his life's happenings, backwards, like a film. He said that all these things and a lot about life and death are written in Garuda-Purana?

The priest, on the basis of his calculations depending on the time of his death, was also able to tell that there is a dosha of 3 paav(paav is a weight unit in India that equals to 250Gms) because of some unfulfilled desires. Now, his family could assess that he wanted to eat some kind of sweet, which was denied because of medical restrictions. Second, he wanted to see the marriage of his grand children(two). Third desire they could not think about. Probably there were two desires for two marriages?

Now, what I can relate all this to some other philosophies dealing with life and death. According to one, next birth or whether there is going to be re-birth or not depends upon the final state of chitta(sub-conscious mind), at the time of death. This final state decides that whether there will be any rebirth or not, if it will be then what kind of birth it will be.

Now, how to get to the state where there is no thought at the time of death OR at least there is no ill though? Karma theory can be helpful here, keep doing your deeds with full detachment. if there is not any kind of attachment then there is not going to be any kind of though at the final moment. But, how this detachment theory was itself invented, by some means, it was a knowledge that was inferred by some kind of experiences.

There are some thoughts(sanskaars) which come up very strongly at the time of death. Those one, which have a great impact over your consciousness, like some deep love, some deep hatred. The key here is to get rid of these deeply rooted thoughts while you are very much alive, very much conscious. So, no ill or whatever kind of though decides your fate, randomly, at the time of death. How this can be done, a little bit hard but this can be done by 'very determined' & 'right kind' of meditation.
to the concept of detachment, if there is not any kind of attachment then there is not going to be 


In short, there is a huge difference in the way the two GF's died. One died crying and another died calmly. There 'must' be the after effect, of the way, one dies. In fact, life is all about how one dies. The whole process is the playground/classromm where one keeps preparing for the final examination - the death. Understand that we are here to learn some thing, not to get attached with the pen/pencil/books/thoughs/theories etc.

So, let us prepare for the way we die. What is the best way of dying - being in truth and remain unshakable. How can that be achieved - by meditation only :) OR apply the karma theory in it's 100% purity, if you can.

We have been kept coming here, we have been kept dying......let us break the circle....


For my own knowledge, I would like to know what kind(if any) of dosha does the priest calculate for his second grand father's death, as he died calmly and consciously. Does it mean that he died desire-less? If yes, then how?

(I did take my friend's permission before using his words and family matters)

4 comments:

Here n Now said...

This the comment which someone sent me by mail:



According to one, next birth or whether there is going to be re-birth or not depends upon the final state of chitta (sub-conscious mind), at the time of death. This final state decides that whether there will be any rebirth or not, if it will be then what kind of birth it will be.

well basically the final state of chitta doesn't decide the next birth. The re-birth. The next janma is only and only decided by your own karmas. For instance, if there is this Mr. X, who have not done good karmas, i.e. he have hurt people physically, mentally, emotionally, etc , however he was a self-centered man and he fulfilled his desires and he died peacefully. So his next birth will be decided on his karmas and not on his state of mind.

The karmas create the chitta sanskar i.e. the impressions of karmas on the chitta. And this sanskar is not the sanskar only of this janma but all the past janmas, your environment, surrounding, family behaviour, also will include the surroundings and the thoughts of your mother while she was pregnant (was carrying you). That's the reason every human being or every being has a different pattern of behaviour or thinking.

For instance from Mahabharata : Abhimanyu had already learnt to enter that pattern however he did not know how to come out of that pattern in war because when his mother was carrying him in the womb she only learnt the half way i.e. entrance and didn't learn the second half i.e. coming out of chakra (war pattern)

You think, or act according to your sanskars of purva janma and that impacts your present janma sanskars. Also if you want you can also give your chitta some good sanskaras by yog, meditation, positive thinking. However you should be aware and very clear about kind of food you wish to feed your soul with.

For instance I personally never learnt swimming, I loved water, one fine day I just jumped in the pool of 12 ft and started swimming and I have swimming championship now. In the same way I never learned how to dance however I was an extraordinary dancer since my childhood. You will not believe my mother never was crazy for dancing but ones she told me that when she was pregnant (she was carrying me) she always had this strange feeling of dancing, so she used to dance but after delivering me she never experienced feeling for dance…
these are the very small examples. May be my dancing, swimming sanskaras were really strong.

So if we want the good janma we should be aware of our karmas.
I will try to tell you about types of karma
SHUBH KARM (good)
ASHUBH KARM (bad)
MISHRIT KARM (attempting for good however un )
knowing bad karma happens) for instance
a farmer produces the food grains for everyone, that's a good karma
however unknowingly while doing the farming procedures like useage of pesticides, insecticides, harrowing, some insects are dead, but farmer never thought of that however it happened.

again there are two types
SAT KAAM KARM (expecting the punya or fal ki aasha rakh kar karm karna)
NISH KAAM KARM (without expecting anything for ourselves but the feeling of offering to the god )
When you do shubh karma with expectation it is known as sakaam karm and when you do shubh karm with no expectation and when you have the feeling of offering the act to god that is known as NISH KAAM KARMA
And nish kaam karma takes you to moksha
And for this you need
AASHTANG YOG- yam
Niyam
Aasan
Pranayam
Pratyahaar
Dharnaa
Dhyaan
Samadhi
These are the eight steps to moksha
Moksha is when your chitta becomes transparent and there are no impressions of any shubh or ashubh sanskaras i.e. jab aapke saare sanskar dagdhbeej hote hai and then chitt becomes transparent and just like a mirrior (as we see our image in mirror) chitt can experience the soul and then it is said enlightenment, ATMASAKSHATKAR, moksh is experienced…

And you may refer AASHTANGYOG by PATENJALI
Its awesome…refer it, I stronghly suggest


I would suggest you to attend the
DARSHAN YOG MAHAVIDYLAYA SHIVIR, ROJAD, GUJARAT
That's a shivir for 5-7 days
I m sure, all your doubts will be clarified…
They give you knowledge directly from Vedas
You will really achieve many good things after attending the shivir and all your questions will be perfectly answered…

In fact, life is all about how one dies. The whole process is the playground/classromm where one keeps preparing for the final examination - the death.

P.S. we have got the chance (life) to attain ATMASAKSHATKAR (moksha), death is a small part of it
And moksha cannot be attained in one single janma, yeh to safar hai jaanamo jaanmo ka, tampsya ka, aashtang yog ka…
Moksha is not simple thing…it's the biggest…even efforts are biggest and span also is pretty longest.
So lets prepare ourselves to moksha as try to attain it earliest…
And lets break the cycle of like-death
However moksha is a vast and different topic I would like to tell you that nothing is permanent, in the same way moksha is also not permanent, it is also for a specific time-period.

Here n Now said...

The words, their literary meaning might be different, but the underlying meaning of my and your words 'is same'.

I said that the final state of chitta is going to be decisive, you said that the karma is going to be decisive. Both are correct because the karma itself is going to decide the final chitta. With bad karma you can not have peaceful chitta. Some bad karm-sanskar will definitely rise at the time of death and will result in a bad end, and a bad start again.

You did quote the example of self centered person, fulfilling all his desires. You are true that he is not going to have a good death and a birth consecutively. Here I am correct in the sense that, how much self centered you are, if you do wrong deeds than you have to pay for it, this way or that way. Let me say it like this, the soul is basically clean/pure, it is the dirt of our deeds which make it dirty. Similarly, the self centered person who is able to fulfill all his wrong desires, at an inner level, makes his soul dirty. So that dirt will keep him from dying calmly.

You are true that life is to attain ATMASAKSHATKAR, but death is a milestone, which is needed to be achieved in a proper manner.

You said, "moksha cannot be attained in one single janma, yeh to safar hai jaanamo jaanmo ka, tampsya ka, aashtang yog ka…" we should not escape from our responsibility of putting efforts for salvation, in this very birth, for the sake of above statement :) always remember the final goal and keep working towards it....

For vedic knowledge, I do admire them from my heart. Before coming into field of meditation, veds and other classics like Gita, patanjali etc were the ultimate resort for me. But, they have been written after gaining the self knowledge, and, to attain the same, we need to achieve the self knowledge. The knowledge achieved by our own efforts, by our own experience. At this level, life/death, this janm/that janm becomes irrespective, the only thing matters is practice. So, we need to keep working, hard, for our own sake, for our own salvation.

keep meditating...........

Anonymous said...

wrt death - I had an interesting experience. My grandmother was on her deathbed. Doctor had predicted just a few more days, but somehow her death seemed to have gotten postponed. I was in Germany that time. My return got pre-poned!

So i was able to be by her side in her last days.

And I could see her suffering terribly. She was full of pain and struggling a lot (she has never any touch of meditation even though my grandpa had been a meditator in his own way). I loved her very much and it was quite hard for me to see her in such a state. Then after a certain point I just decided I would sit for two hours and meditate for her.

I went to a neighbouring room and really sat for 2 hours with a few mins break and really wished a lot of strength for her.

Later on she had calmed down and was relaxed and was in much better shape. Its very easy to develop ego that because of 'my' metta she calmed down. I try to assume it was a coincidence, but it was definitely a motivational factor for me that really even terrible suffering is annicca and we can really go beyond it!

Here n Now said...

The experience of pain by ur GrandMother has reminded me about 'an' Uncle, whom I know in this city.

He is a retired person so must be around 70!!

Lately, he got developed stone in kidney and later on some infection too. Because of infection the operation got delayed and, 'pain ka to kahna hee kya'. It just kept increasing for few days. Finally doctors were able to control the infection and subsequently, his pain too. He has come back to home after a month and will be operated in January.

Before the advent of disease, Uncle and Aunty was leading a good and happy life, but during that paifull period, Uncle was looking(and was feeling himself) as the most miserable person on the planet. He was going through all kind of bad feelings. Cursing this and that......

When I sat beside him, I could only have a feeling of compassion and wished that what if Uncle was on the path of Dhamma, but could not do anything.....

By writing this, I am not trying to unearth only the negative aspects in life OR the fear of pain...... but am trying to just re-realize that everything is ultimately pain till we do not know how to observe 'anything & everything'.....

and, as we have got a chance, so we must cultivate this faculty...


let us never ever waste a moment......and
keep meditating......keep meditating...... keep meditating....